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Date: Sat 7 Nov 87 09:43:19-GMT
From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #90

Usenet Mac Digest     Saturday, November 7, 1987     Volume 3 : Issue 90

Today's Topics:
     Anyone seen SHOWInit???
     Re: Reducing fan noise from Macintosh II
     Re: Recommendation for a new "Paste" feature on ALL Mac So
     A few comments on Dataframe XP150i internal hard disk
     More on MacMaple...
     Re: CMS Drives
     bug in MacScheme 1.0
     Mail-order and warranties
     Re: Making sure PrGeneral exists
     Prodigy board vendors?
     small LSC ControlMgr.h problem
     Re: LSC and the bugs from hell
     SE Internal Hard Disk Size
     Re: small LSC ControlMgr.h problem
     Re: CMS Drives
     X-windows for the Mac? (question)
     A/UX and 3rd party disks?
     A Rather dumb question...
     Re: Compiler efficiency
     Re: LSC and the bugs from hell
     Re: X-windows for the Mac? (question)
     Maple - Symbolic math for Mac
     Apple Extended Keyboard Support
     INIT and CDEV resources
     Yet more INIT questions
     Re: Mac II Video Glitches
     Re: QuicKeys

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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hunt)
Subject: Anyone seen SHOWInit???
Date: 31 Oct 87 00:32:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hello all...

Has anyone seen SHOWInit yet???   It is an INIT that displays the INITS
icons as they run on startup...  If not showinit, I seem to remember
something  similar posted about 6 months ago...

Anyideas????

Phil Hunt


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Platt)
Subject: Re: Reducing fan noise from Macintosh II
Date: 30 Oct 87 21:06:07 GMT
Organization: Teknowledge, Inc., Palo Alto CA

I mentioned a few days ago that I had been told that moving the video
card on a Mac II from slot #1 (next to the power supply) to slot #6 (as
far away from the power supply as possible) could reduce the noise of
the Mac II's fan, by un-obstructing the fan's air passage and reducing
turbulence.  Well, I tried it, and it does seem to have made a
difference;  the amount of noise that escapes through the vents in the
top of the Mac II's case has been reduced somewhat.  It's not a stunning
decrease, but it is noticable.


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From: [e-mail] (Walter Smith)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a new "Paste" feature on ALL Mac So
Date: 30 Oct 87 02:49:50 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

I don't believe people are taking this seriously.  Pressing a key while
you select a menu item?  If you type '3' and select "Duplicate", does it
make three copies of the selection?  If you type '8' and select "Save",
does it save eight copies of the document?  Think for a minute.

If you want multiple pasting, how about a "Paste Multiple" menu item?

- Walt
--
       Walter Smith, CS graduate student, Carnegie-Mellon University
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From: [e-mail] (Julian Vrieslander)
Subject: A few comments on Dataframe XP150i internal hard disk
Date: 31 Oct 87 04:35:32 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY

I recently installed a SuperMac DataFrame XP150i in a Mac II.  Here's a
couple of quick observations.

When I saw the external DataFrame XP150 at MacWorld, I noticed how large
the case was, and wondered how the internal version could fit inside the
Mac II box.  Well, now I know.  SuperMac supplies a replacement part for
the metal stamping that serves as a tray for internal drives inside the
Mac II.  The replacement part still supports two floppy drives in their
normal positions, but the rear half of the tray has a stepped recess
that goes down an inch or two and accommodates the hard disk.  It's a
tight fit, but everything fit in OK (see note below) and works fine.

The drive mechanism is a 5.25" unit manufactured by a division of
Control Data Corporation.  Disk timer results were as follows:

               100 24kb reads      26 deciseconds
               100 24kb writes     29 deciseconds
               Step time            7 deciseconds

Subjectively, the disk seems a bit faster than the XP20 we were using
temporarily.  Noise is minimal, less than the Mac II's fan.  I was
pleased to find that SuperMac is now supplying nice glossy documentation
with their drives - this used to be a weak area.

The only hitch in the installation came while the Mac II cover was going
back on.  There is a molded plastic post that extends from under the
inside of the cover down to the metal tray that carries the disk drives
- probably to support the case against the weight of large monitors.
The replacement tray sits a bit higher, so the post was pushing the
cover up enough to produce an unslightly bulge.  Undaunted, I raided the
toolbox and had at the post with a file.  An officemate heard the noise
and saw me working on the open Mac II in a cloud of plastic dust.  Came
the obvious question: "What's going on?"

"File optimizing," I answered.

--
Julian Vrieslander    [phone]
Neurobiology & Behavior, W250 Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853
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From: [e-mail] (Sukie Crandall)
Subject: More on MacMaple...
Date: 30 Oct 87 23:36:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ


I have received numerous requests for info on MacMaple. ...

The program is version 4.0 of the University of Waterloo's Maple. It
will  run on a Mac Plus with a hard disk, although this is minimal.
(lots of RAM helps!!!). The program is currently a direct translation of
the command line versions of Maple that run on other (larger) machines.
Someone at Waterloo told me that they are considering working on a
Macish version if they get a chance to get around to it.

The cost (last April) was $1000 Canadian for a single user license.
Contact them for info on possible educational discounts. You will need
MPW to get the program running (just MPW - you won't need the
languages).

    Symbolic Computation Group
    Dept of COmputer Science
    University of Waterloo
    Waterloo, Ontario    N2L 3G1
    Canada

I haven't tried their e-mail address for several months, it was:
    allegra!watmath!watdaisy!watmaple

Benton Leong is the guru there.


Good luck -- I think this is one of the more interesting ports to the
micro world. It certainly saves me $$$ on calculations. I would tend to
recommend it to people who have played with symbolic algebra programs as
they all suffer a similar disease...

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Schenck)
Subject: Re: CMS Drives
Date: 31 Oct 87 03:16:51 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon, CA


 Well, considering that the maximum data transfer rate is 1.5 meg/sec,
and that Apple is supposed to have an 80-meg drive at about the same
speed as the CMS (seeing that they both use the same mechanical, and the
EPROM contains similar code), I really don't see any difference in the
two. In MY opinion, 26 ms is rather slow for an 80-meg drive, and
BORDERLINE for a 40-meg...

  That *IS* just my opinion.


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From: [e-mail] (Juha Hein{nen)
Subject: bug in MacScheme 1.0
Date: 31 Oct 87 15:51:21 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland

MacScheme 1.0 doesn't evaluate correctly nested quasiquote's.  For
example

    `(a `(b ,(+ 1 2)))

evaluates to

    (a `(b 3))

instead of

    (a `(b ,(+ 1 2)))
--
    Juha Heinanen
    Tampere Univ. of Technology
    Finland
    [e-mail] (Internet), tut!jh (UUCP)


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Morgan)
Subject: Mail-order and warranties
Date: 1 Nov 87 02:25:42 GMT
Organization: Speech Communication UT Austin

This may have been brought up before, so feel free to hit "n." Many mail
order companies in MacWorld/User have policies of "all sales final." I'm
considering buying a hard disk from one of them, and was wondering if
such purchases typically included the original manufacturers'
warranties, especially the frequent "30-day-trial-money-back" type as
advertised by Jasmine.

I'd also like to hear what anybody knows regarding the integrity of
Tussey Computer Products of State College, Pa., who have such an ad in
the November MacWorld. ~r}i

Considering the horrifying prices of HD's bought "off the shelf" in the
typical computer store, I'm sure this information would be of interest
to at least a few netters, so posted replies would certainly be apropos.
Besides, (R)eplying via e-mail is about as reliable as the weather, at
least in my case.

Thanks in advance,

Ron Morgan

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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Re: Making sure PrGeneral exists
Date: 1 Nov 87 04:08:14 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA

If you consult Tech Note #128, about PrGeneral, it points out how to go
about this.

Call PrError.  As always, NoErr means it worked.  If ResNotFound is
returned, then the PDEF #7 is missing and there's no PrGeneral
implemented.  This is probably why HyperCard complains with old printer
drivers.
--
    Joel West  (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Prodigy board vendors?
Date: 30 Oct 87 21:47:34 GMT
Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center

Does anyone know of a cheap source for a Prodigy SE board? Please
respond directly to me: [e-mail].

Thanks. Kenton C. Phillips Astro. Dept., Penn State

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From: [e-mail] (John J. Chew III)
Subject: small LSC ControlMgr.h problem
Date: 31 Oct 87 04:03:09 GMT
Organization: The Poslfit Committee


A small problem I found while writing my Very First CDEF (in LSC
2.01)...

In the definition of the typedef ControlRecord, field contrlHilite
(among others) is of type char.  If the control is to be inactive, this
field should be set to 255.  Unfortunately, if contrlHilite is
subsequently compared to 255 or 0xff, the code generated sign-extends
contrlHilite but not 255 and therefore does not find them to be equal.

I believe contrlHilite should be of type unsigned char and not char.

John Chew
--
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Lau)
Subject: Re: LSC and the bugs from hell
Date: 31 Oct 87 21:23:56 GMT
Organization: The Big Electric Cat


Any of you have any opinions on Jasik's The Debugger?  How does it
compare to TMON, esp. when used with LightspeedC?


Raymond Lau                      {allegra,philabs,cmcl2}!phri\ Big
Electric Cat Public Unix           {bellcore,cmcl2}!cucard!dasys1!raylau
New York, NY, USA                               {sun}!hoptoad/
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"Take it and StuffIt."

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From: [e-mail] (Drew Dean)
Subject: SE Internal Hard Disk Size
Date: 1 Nov 87 07:01:26 GMT
Organization: Systems'n'Software San Diego, CA

My SE with Apple's 20Mb drive formatted out to 19,019K (as reported in
the title bar).  For a supposedly 20Mb [formatted] drive, this is a lot of
bad sectors.   I've seen other SE's down in the 17000K range.  How big is
the drive, and should I be worried about the 1Mbyte I'm missing, or am I
lucky to get 19,000K out? Email replies and I'll summarize....

Drew Dean
Disclaimer: Any organization I may or may not be affiliated with may or may not
agree with my personal opinions, as expressed above....
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This is my first posting to USENET, so I apologize if I messed anything up....

[ He shouldn't feel so bad, I got only 76Mb out of my 80Mb Apple - Jeff ]

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From: lippin@wheatena (The Apathist)
Subject: Re: small LSC ControlMgr.h problem
Date: 1 Nov 87 11:02:34 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Math Department

Recently [e-mail] (John J. Chew III) said:
>
>In the definition of the typedef ControlRecord, field contrlHilite
>(among others) is of type char.  If the control is to be inactive,
>this field should be set to 255.  Unfortunately, if contrlHilite is
>subsequently compared to 255 or 0xff, the code generated sign-extends
>contrlHilite but not 255 and therefore does not find them to be equal.
>
>I believe contrlHilite should be of type unsigned char and not char.

That wouldn't hurt (I never cared for sign in chars anyway), but you
should be comparing it to (char)255, as it is a char after all.

                    --Tom Lippincott
                    ..ucbvax!bosco!lippin

"If there were more people like you, there'd be less people like you!"
        --Hawkeye Pierce, of Colonel Flagg, M*A*S*H


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From: [e-mail] (Warren Gish)
Subject: Re: CMS Drives
Date: 1 Nov 87 20:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley


I've heard the 80 MB CMS drives contain a 64 KB cache that drops the
average access time from 26 ms down to 18 ms, which is good for a drive
of this size.  The CMS drivers were recently updated to perform "blind"
reads and writes, which is how the SCSI port is purportedly saturated.
This drive definitely *seems* faster than the 40 MB Apple drive. Apple's
HD Backup (System 4.1 and 4.2) work fine; I've only used the verify
function of Apple's First Aid and it seemed to work also.  I've had my
Pro80ii for almost 2 mos. now and had zero problems with it. The CMS
drives are significantly less expensive than any other manufacturers'
I've found.  (Try M.A.C. in Berkeley where the Pro80i internal sells for
$1180, or if you're an Apple Certified Developer you can buy the same
drive for $999 directly from CMS [Tustin, CA]).

                --Warren

Disclaimer:  I have no affiliation with CMS, M.A.C., or Apple, and any
opinions expressed herein are in the public domain.

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From: [e-mail] (Roy M Turner)
Subject: X-windows for the Mac? (question)
Date: 1 Nov 87 19:51:33 GMT
Organization: School of Information and Computer Science, Georgia Tech, Atlanta

Hi--

This is probably a pointless question, but is there or is there likely
to  be a version of X-windows for the Mac?  We are using a SUN and some
Lisp machines (although we don't have X up on the lispm's yet), and it
would be nice to sit at home and use X.

Thanks.

Roy
--
Roy Turner
School of Information and Computer Science
Georgia Insitute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
...!{akgua,allegra,amd,hplabs,ihnp4,seismo,ut-ngp}!ics.gatech.edu!royt

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From: [e-mail] (James J Dempsey)
Subject: A/UX and 3rd party disks?
Date: 1 Nov 87 20:37:41 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Inc., Cambridge, MA

I just bought a Mac II and I want to buy a hard disk for it.  I want to
be able to run A/UX when it comes out, but I'm not sure how to choose an
appropriate disk.

Given that:
    * Apple recommends at least 80MB for A/UX
    * I can't afford Apple's 80MB ($2699)
    * I want an internal drive

I figure my only choices are the Jasmine 90MB internal, the CMS 80MB or
the Warp Nine 80MB.

Someone said that only Apple's drive will work with A/UX or that only
Quantum drives will work with A/UX.  Does anyone know the exact truth
about this?  My dealers know nothing, the drive makers know nothing, and
a phone call to Apple just yielded "A/UX will be out the 1st of the
year".

If I buy a 3rd party drive, like the Jasmine Innerdrive 90MB, will I be
able to use it to run A/UX?  Perhaps some technical person at Apple can
comment on this?  I would hate to spend $1500 for a drive and find out
it is useless for A/UX.


        --Jim Dempsey--
        BBN Communications
        Cambridge, MA
        [e-mail]  (INTERNET, preferred address)
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Schenck)
Subject: A Rather dumb question...
Date: 2 Nov 87 00:36:14 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet01], El Cajon, CA


  Anyone out there know what the maximum Hard-Disk size is on the Mac
before you have to partition? For some reason 4 gigabytes seems to pop
into my head, can anyone tell me for certain?

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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: Compiler efficiency
Date: 2 Nov 87 02:23:06 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

Compared to other machines I've worked on, Macintosh C compilers (I
don't have experience with other languages) are a big disappointment,
even the professional MPW C from Green Hills.  They don't even do simple
peephole optimizations, let alone the global optimization necessary for
really good code generation.

Anyone want to work on porting Gnu C to MPW?

Stew
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
UUCPnet:    seismo!harvard!rubenstein            CompuServe: 76525,421
Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC

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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: LSC and the bugs from hell
Date: 2 Nov 87 02:27:29 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

I have Jasik's Debugger, but I don't use it.  I know people who use it
all the time and love it, but it is way too fragile for me.  Perhaps
this is because I have a Hypercharger- and BigPicture-equipped SE, or
perhaps I'm just trying to do things they aren't.

The documentation is woefully inadequate.

It doesn't have trap discipline, the single most important and useful
feature of of TMON, in my opinion (the menu item is there, but says "Not
yet").

At present, I am using TMON and hoping that Jasik can finish his product
so I can use it.

Stew
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
UUCPnet:    seismo!harvard!rubenstein            CompuServe: 76525,421
Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC

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From: [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein)
Subject: Re: X-windows for the Mac? (question)
Date: 2 Nov 87 02:32:32 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA

Yes, for certain it'll be part of A/UX.  That may mean that the impetus
will be there to port it to the current Mac O/S.


Stew
Stew Rubenstein
Cambridge Scientific Computing, Inc.
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Internet:   [e-mail]       MCIMail:    CSC

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Hastings)
Subject: Maple - Symbolic math for Mac
Date: 2 Nov 87 03:53:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

I recently wrote to the Symbolic Computation Group at the University of
Waterloo for more information about their symbolic math package "Maple."

The response I got was that "McMaple 4.0" runs as a tool under MPW, and
1MB of memory is quite sufficient for all but really large problems.
They may produce a stand-alone version later, but MPW is required now
(they will have a upgrade policy when newer versions come out).

The thing that really cooled me was the price -- $590.00 for individuals
(with a 50% discount to educational institutions).  This is probably a
real bargain for such a powerful system (and all source to Maple
libraries is included), but a bit much for a weekend experimenter.  They
have more elaborate policies for site-licensing.

The person to contact at Waterloo is:
    Benton Leong
    Symbolic Computation Group, Department of Computer Science
    University of Waterloo
    Waterloo, Ontario  N2L 3G1
    Canada

    [phone] (x4474)
    [e-mail]

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    Mark Hastings                          [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (sullivan jeffrey a.)
Subject: Apple Extended Keyboard Support
Date: 1 Nov 87 22:47:05 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Comp & Info Sys

Will Apple be releasing any kind of support for my Extended keyboard?
I'd hate to have to buy a product like QuickKeys just to use something
that Apple should have for free.

..........................................................................
Jeff Sullivan                University of Pittsburgh
pitt!cisunx!jasst3            Intelligent Systems Studies Program
jasper@PittVMS (BITNET)            Graduate Student
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Nevai)
Subject: INIT and CDEV resources
Date: 2 Nov 87 13:46:58 GMT
Organization: University of South Carolina, Columbia

I'd like to get info about CDEV and INIT resources. MacTutor has an
article on "CDEV Examples Revisited" in 10/87.  Are there any books or
other articles discussing such stuff? Are there any code sources
available? Could someone explain how and immortal stuff such as JClock
is kept in the menubar? All help will be appreciated. (I speak mostly
Pascal)

If there is a lots of replies, I'll summarize them on the Net.

Paul Nevai                                [e-mail] (PREFERRED)
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Department of Mathematics                 [e-mail]
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Columbia, S.C. 29208                      1-(803)-777-3776.office
U.S.A.                                    1-(803)-777-4226.secy

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Larson)
Subject: Yet more INIT questions
Date: 31 Oct 87 17:38:27 GMT
Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario

I have two questions.

1. What should not be done by an INIT?   Are there any managers or
drivers which are not initialized at the time of INIT execution?  Is
there anything which is absolutely verboten?

2. How doest one go about installing a background task with an INIT  (as
per JClock (a clock in the menu-bar))?  Any suggestions would be
appreciated; source would be manna from heaven (Pascal preferred, but
under  duress, I'll read anything.)

Thanx in advance,
    Johan Larson


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Mac II Video Glitches
Date: 2 Nov 87 17:13:18 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon W. Backstrom)
writes:
>
>I didn't notice it until I upgraded the Mac II to 5 Mb of memory.  After
>that, if I used *any* video mode with more than 2 colors, I get an
>interesting video artifact...
>
>A CLOCK!!  If I use the 4 color mode, I can see a tiny clock with full

This indicates a program that is writing directly to the screen.  The
your monitor is set of more than 2 colors/grays, then the code which
writes directly to the screen will not work properly because the display
memory is organized differently.

You will see this effect in other places (eg, MacPaint).  Until the
offending program is updated, there is nothing you can do but change
your screen to 2 color mode.

--
Larry Rosenstein

Object Specialist
Apple Computer

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: QuicKeys
Date: 2 Nov 87 07:35:52 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul Nevai)
writes:
>I have a demo version of QucKeys and it doesn't recognize the DataDesk 101
>function keys.
>Will the release version work with this keyboard? How? Are there any patches
>available?

The release version comes with an INIT file for the DataDesk 101 and the
Tangent Keyboards, which gives full support to all their function keys.

No time for a long review about QuicKeys -- but this is the kind of
product which, by itself, could replace dozens of other utilities I
have.  When you think of a tool for "Power Users", this one comes to
mind immediately.  Well worth the bucks, and another feather in the cap
of CE Software.

                           "Everyone is entitled to an *informed*
opinion."
                                            -- Harlan Ellison

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